Oh, Senator Cavanagh, well, he just ... he, you know, wasn't particularly bright, as most politicians aren't, you know, especially when they've been union people ... union, you know, officials or secretaries in the Labor parties and they promote them into Parliament of all places, you know. To get them out of the road perhaps. And that ... with say Cavanagh, he came through the union ranks, he was a plasterer, he used to plaster the walls of buildings and all sorts. Well you know you don't get much sensitivity about personal and international and national relationships plastering walls. And so we ... we came into conflict because I don't have a great appreciation of the unions. I don't think much of the union movement. I think they are very reactionary and conservative, protecting only their own and even then they don't do a good job of that and he was in that ... in that area and then he didn't have a great imagination. He didn't have a great intellect and he didn't know what it was all about, you know. And when I spoke out he was only wanting to protect the Government, which was his responsibility and he wrote to Bernice to ring up Barry Dexter constantly, 'Why don't you shut Perkins up? You know and why don't you write him a letter? Why don't you dismiss him? Why don't you send him somewhere else?' And poor Barry Dexter had all this pressure on him from Cavanagh, as he did with other Ministers and other bureaucrats, to sort of get rid of me or shut me up or discipline me. And Barry did that now and then, you know, as much as he could but he was always apologising for it you know, 'Sorry mate, I got to do this, you know. This is my job and, you know, you've really gone overboard this time'. And I said, 'Well that's that stupid Minister, or that stupid political party, but with Cavanagh we never got ... we never hit it off because we were just living in different worlds. I don't know what world he was living in but I was in Australia and, you know, I had my responsibility to my people and to my country and he had his to his union ... to his political party, I suppose.

Charlie Perkins

Latest Papers

The working papers collection comprises historical papers as well as current ideas and works in progress on some of the major issues and topics of our times.

Moody Blue (released 13 July 2016)
Tribute to Ms. S. D. Gurruwiwi (7 Jan 1955 - 23 March 2016)
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Sticky Money (released 23 April 2016)
From "Co-Mingling" to "Sticky Money": Les Hems describes how the Broome Community Impact Investment Model is starting to fly...
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In Every FIbre, Stitch and Thread... The Magic Weaving of Batumbil Burarrwanga (released 21 December 2015)
A photographic essay on the renowned master weaver of North East Arnhem Land, Batumbil Burarrwanga.
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The Spirit of Belonging - Darren Mc Leod (released 17 October 2015)
Darren Mc Leod's Spirit of Belonging Flag raises the debate about an Australian republic to a new level
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WWOOF! (released 26 September 2015)
Reversing the Abbott Government’s 2015 Decision to Deny Second Year Visas to Volunteer International Organic Farm Workers!
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Tjungukutu (Coming Together): An Interview with Neil Murray (released 23 August 2015)
Neil Murray gives us an insight into his new project with Sammy Butcher Tjapanangka
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Cultural Tourism Masterplan: An Interview with John Morse AM (released 23 August 2015)
North East Arnhem land cultural tourism business grows from strength to strength. John Morse talks about the progress and the challenges ahead.
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Oil and Gas in the Northern Territory: An Interview with Dr. Howard Smith (released 22 August 2015)
Dr Howard Smith surveys future developments in the oil and gas industry of the Northern Territory.
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Future Proofing: An Interview with NAB's Glen Brennan (released 22 August 2015)
Reflections on ten years of Indigenous participation in the Australian banking and finance industry. Glen Brennan talks about the achievement of increased Indigenous employment in the banking industry and the new frontier of "future proofing" Aboriginal trusts and benefits through empowered and knowledgeable Indigenous representatives, trustees and business owners
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Ceremonial Economy: An Interview with Djambawa Marawili AM (released 13 August 2015)
Aboriginal homelands are the places that Australians need to be supporting now according to Djambawa Marawili. They are the source of health and life for Aboriginal people. The trend is for government to invest in mainstream communities and towns, making it harder and harder on tribal country. Can we find a way to support the core of the culture: ceremonial life on homelands. Djambawa explains that for Yolngu people, ceremony is as important as our mainstream economy. Ceremonial life is an economy in our terms that is worthy of investment that brings tremendous rewards for all concerned.
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